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Apart from once. You can get an interview that goes smoothly at any time. Being thumped would make great telly. One of my favourites was the Churchill expert.

I asked him how did Churchill come to invent Tippex and he looked so annoyed. Charlie Brooker had the original concept for the character but Morgan gave Cunk her distinctive stamp. He came up with the name and the idea. But he wanted her to be quite posh, so I got an audition and did my best posh voice.

The show definitely struck a chord. They needed something like this. Women usually have to play people who are warm, not absolute bastards. When they voted for Obama they sorted all of that out. No wonder we need police. Have any of them got a bit out of hand and turned into an actual crime? The answer to that question is obvious. But it sounds spooky. People queue for ages to touch the Turing shroud.

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She soon found she could make a living from stand-up — and a good one, at that. What was her comedy like? I suppose there was a tiny bit of stupid because I thought that was the only way you could do stand-up. You have to be fearless. Really angry. Angry at life, angry at the things that have happened. Was her act political?

I was never a political comedian. It would just be anger about biscuits or something, or teachers at school, that sort of thing. I ask if she thinks comedy is going to have a MeToo moment, like the film industry. All I want to do is make people laugh. For one thing, she seems fairly opinionated in her insistence that she is not opinionated.

Motherland has been a success, but the five-part Cunk on Britain is her most high-profile gig by far. I asked [the expert] how come he invented Tippex, and apparently he had a black dog, what was his name? They had to stop filming because the guy looked as if he was going to hit me! Now the danger is that Cunk will be a victim of her own success.

In the new series it often looks as if the talking heads are in on the joke, and trying to keep a straight face.